I'm not seeking your approval! If you don't like windows, it's your choice. I like KLaunch button. I'm sharing with love to all KDE users by sharing it with GPL license! Dare not tell others what they should or should not do! You are crossing the limit of individual freedom! I did not create this Button FOR YOU! and I'm not begging you to use it! If you don't like it don't use it! If you like it use it! GPL = respecting the a person's right to create,copy,modify and share!

"Is This a helper app for users migrating from windoze?" Ask this is a crime? I respect your freedom! I gave my opinion only. I'll not use it, but if your response to my ask is "yes", I aprove it. If not, I'll forget it. Sorry if you cannot understood me.

Thanks buddy, I would thank the author of kbfx for his applet which makes me do this kbutton :)

I will do it too.

but i must admit, it looks nicer

some things to keep in mind: - right to left desktops What's different about Right-To-Left Desktops? one can create nice button for that too. Artists are pretty fast in that!. For each position like Top, Bottom, Let, Right, Above, Below, Right-To-Left text, Top-to-bottom text, Bottom-to-top text, animated text all can be created. kbfx is flexible! - translations Ok, we can Have LINUX or MENU or KDE beside the icon. KDE and Linux require no translation and 'Menu' can be translated easily. Creating 'Translated Launch' button is also possible. A Few people with Translation can make it work! - there is nothing that says the K menu is on the left. And there nothing that says K is required! And I did not get you. > i have no real beef with rectangular buttons, but the above 3 points are why it's not realistic to go with something like what you have here. Thanks regarding rectangular button, but the 3 points are more of EXCUSES than practical implementation! Lazy people make miraculous Excuses! Remember, where there is a will, there's a way! Talking of Realistic thing, did you ever tried creating a nice rectangular k button. And Artists are real cool in Translating and making things happen. > that said, we do have text-aside-button support in kicker in SVN now. Good to know that it support text-aside-button, but you KNOW, KDE inherently is UGLY, You don't make anything with a slightest IDEA of making it Themeable. Out of users' outcry you add themeing! Why is that Default KDE apps are crippled things? example: 1. krec 2. kmenu (configurability) 3. noatun (see kaffeine/kplayer/kmplayer) 4. kuickshow (see showFoto and gwenview) Please care for EyeCandy.

> one can create nice button for that > too the problem is that a single graphical button that has an inherent directional quality won't cut it. having N different buttons, one for each possible direction, is not a very lucid way to go. > A Few people with Translation can > make it work! and how do you translate a graphic? that's not how i18n works. it needs to be created at run time based on regular, unicode text. that means having a button that can be stretched horizontally and look good, which can have text of any given font rendered to it and look decent, etc. it's possible, but this button isn't it. > And there nothing that says K is > required! And I did not get you. evidently you didn't get me, no. imagine this button being in the middle of the panel. you later say that KDE looks ugly (which i disagree with, but whatever), and yet you can't see how this might be an issue? > Lazy people make miraculous Excuses hold on here. did you just call me lazy? or are you attempting some cheap psychology on me, expecting me to say "i'm not lazy, let me prove it to you by doing exactly what you want"? i thought your continuous off-topic postings on theDot were annoying, but you've just redefined the limits of that now haven't you. and speaking off-topic ranting posts, as usual, you managed to work one in here too. you seem to really want to be heard and have your issues addressed. i appreciate that. but the way you go about it makes me want to completely ignore you. why would i want to spend any time whatsoever dealing with a person who complains, moans and insults randomly when i could be working with any of the numerous people who are positive, upbeat and help create an atmosphere of care and mutual respect? something to think about, perhaps.

You know I like you! And I am not using any tricks to make you work on it! If by any chance you feel insulted, then I am really, really sorry! There are 2 things which make people make Exuses: 1. Laziness 2. Dis-Interest You are not the Lazy kind but the 'Disinterested' one! I Love and appreciate all KDE developers' endeavors! But you people discard many ideas cause it takes a different approach than a standard one (according to KDE standards). for example, Text in the Image can be hardcoded and placed into individual folders like: themes/en themes/gb themes/ar themes/hi themes/hu themes/xx each folder will have 'Language specific button image' I'm suggesting using pixmaps for each locale, and you're thinking of using 'i18n' text beside the icon! Pixmap is more superior from the eyecandy point-of-view, and 'i18n' text is easier for developers to code! This approach looks awkward to you, but it will work if implemented!

> You are not the Lazy kind but the > 'Disinterested' one! wrong again. > But you people discard many ideas > cause it takes a different approach how about this as an alternative option: sometimes i don't take certain suggestion because they are patently bad? > I'm suggesting using pixmaps for > each locale yes, i know what you're suggesting, and this is horrific for translations. i actually DO happen to care about people who run KDE in non-English set ups, and i DO happen to care about those who do the translating. you may not think this is a big issue, but it is. > Pixmap is more superior from the > eyecandy point-of-view, and 'i18n' again, this isn't necessarily the case at all. but hey, you'll continue to press your points confirmed in your own belief and discounting those who are working on these issues as disinterested, lazy or whatever. it could never be that perhaps they understand the problems more thoroughly, that they are time constrained, or any other number of issues.

> you seem to really want to be heard and have your issues addressed. I want KDE to be fully functional and eyecandy and certified as 'Just Work!' Desktop Environemt (by the KDE users ;). You know I dream of KDE+Unix on every Desktop since KDE 1.1 (redhat 6.1). It's been 7 years now! Still the default install of KDE+Unix won't satisfy the average desktop user. The Default KDE applications are not making the Desktop dream come true :( 1. krec - can't record (alternates khdrecord) 2. noatun/kaboodle - can't play vcd/dvd and streaming media (alternates kaffeine) 3. kmenu (deliberately designed by the kicker developers to NOT allow any user to fully customize it :( You won't allow any KDE user to have his/her own Menu items say like Windows Start->Programs->etc. (unfortunately no alternate kmenu applet yet! I hope someone will come up with a better Idea!) 4. a Rectangular themeable button: to woo the windows users (leading to the corporates and the hardware device manufacturer to release device drivers and softwares for Linux, forced by the large Unix user base.) (alternate: kbfx) 5. Default KDM look: yuck, the new kdm theme improves it but by default theme is disabled :( To sum my "ISSUES" 1. KDE on every desktop 2. KDE fully functional 3. KDE Attractive (with animations+styles+themes etc.) 4. The Default KDE applications must do all which they are supposed to do: 5. Less burden on the desktop user! (asking too much info, dialogs are bothersome) Like a Video player (noatun) should also play embedded media, streaming media, DVDs, VCDs, etc. A desktop user would find it very difficult to find an application which will do a specific task, like kaffeine, kmplayer, etc. plays DVDs and real streams. So, Aaron S., I've been very patience for past 7 yeas waiting to see KDE just work! but still with KDE 3.4.1, it is not :( But I have high hopes with KDE 4.x!

Before ranting like this please check out this http://barismetin.blogspot.com/2005/05/text-on-panel-buttons.html

Thanks, Actually I worked on transparency thing after I read your comment that you like KLaunch more than any other button. The Space issue. I don't see space here. But I guess that the ~/.kbfx/config file stores some differnt image name. Check out the config file. and as soon as you save the config, press CTRL+ALT+Backspace. lol :D